{"id":1960,"date":"2015-03-30T19:28:45","date_gmt":"2015-03-30T19:28:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.siteandinsight.com\/?p=1960"},"modified":"2015-03-30T19:28:45","modified_gmt":"2015-03-30T19:28:45","slug":"whos-copying-who","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/glenvillaartgarden.com\/fr\/whos-copying-who\/","title":{"rendered":"Who&rsquo;s Copying Who?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>An earlier version of this post referred\u00a0to a photo found on line and credited there to the Cultural Landscape Foundation. Thank you to Christine Facer Hoffman for pointing out that the photo said to be of\u00a0the Garden Cosmic Speculation was actually her own photo, of her own garden at Througham Court.<\/em> For my review of this intriguing garden see http:\/\/thinkingardens.co.uk\/reviews\/art-or-science-a-review-of-througham-court-by-pat-webster\/<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>The post I wrote about where my garden ideas have come from \u00a0(<a title=\"Reflections and Inspirations\" href=\"http:\/\/glenvillaartgarden.com\/reflections-and-inspirations\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">http:\/\/glenvillaartgarden.com\/reflections-and-inspirations\/)<\/a> generated a lot of interest and feedback. The degree of interest prompted me to consider\u00a0which\u00a0other garden makers have copied ideas, and who they have copied them from.<\/p>\n<p>I&rsquo;m delighted to find myself in good company.<\/p>\n<p>Les Quatre Vents, the Quebec garden created by the late Frank Cabot, is full of ideas imported\u00a0from gardens around the world. The white garden near the Norman-style chateau\u00a0copies Vita Sackville-West&rsquo;s creation at Sissinghurst, but copying that idea is such a commonplace\u00a0that it hardly counts. Cabot&rsquo;s\u00a0large gateway arch apparently was built after seeing a photograph of Edward Lutyens&rsquo; arch at the Royal Mughal Gardens in New Delhi; the brick structure and long reflecting pond in the Pigeonnier gardens adapt ideas found at\u00a0the Pin Mill at Bodnant in North Wales and in the approach to the Taj Mahal.<\/p>\n<p>Less obvious is the copying involved in the rill near the house.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1993\" style=\"width: 648px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/glenvillaartgarden.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/Cabot-Garden-2008-021.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1993\" class=\"size-full wp-image-1993\" src=\"http:\/\/glenvillaartgarden.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/Cabot-Garden-2008-021.jpg\" alt=\"The rill at Les Quatre Vents echoes the shape of one at Shute House in Dorset. Does the vegetation close to the rill improve on Sir Geoffrey Jellicoe's design?\" width=\"638\" height=\"850\" data-id=\"1993\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-1993\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The rill at Les Quatre Vents echoes the shape of one at Shute House in Dorset. Does the vegetation close to the rill improve on Sir Geoffrey Jellicoe&rsquo;s design?<\/p><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>The shape of this hillside water feature is so similar to\u00a0a design by Sir Geoffrey Jellicoe\u00a0at Shute House in Dorset that the source seems unmistakeable. This may not be as clear in the photos as it is in reality, since I took\u00a0the photo of\u00a0the Cabot garden\u00a0from the top of the rill and\u00a0the one at\u00a0Shute House\u00a0from mid-way down.<\/p>\n<p>I don&rsquo;t fault Mr Cabot for re-using the idea &#8212; Sir Geoffrey&rsquo;s design has Moorish precedents that I&rsquo;m sure he would acknowledge. I do\u00a0question the plantings, though. At Shute House, the rill emerges from an exuberantly planted area; it make its way down the hill through a broad and open area of grass, making the shape of the rill stand out clearly. At Les Quatre Vents, while the large leaves edging the rill provide\u00a0a loose\u00a0contrast to the tidily trimmed evergreens, the plantings interfere with this clear view of the design. (I do, however, applaud the crooked white birch tree that\u00a0draws the eye into the space beyond the end of the rill.)<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1995\" style=\"width: 1060px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/glenvillaartgarden.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/Shute-House-2013-16.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1995\" class=\"size-full wp-image-1995\" src=\"http:\/\/glenvillaartgarden.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/Shute-House-2013-16.jpg\" alt=\"The shapes of the pools shift as the water descends, from square to octagonal to round. \" width=\"1050\" height=\"700\" data-id=\"1995\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-1995\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The shapes of the pools shift as the water descends, from square to octagonal to round.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>At Kiftsgate Court in England, I saw another Jellicoe knock-off. The pool that replaced an old\u00a0tennis court copies a part of Jellicoe&rsquo;s\u00a0design for the garden at Sutton Place in Surrey. The stepping stones that cross the moat there\u00a0carry a symbolic message\u00a0&#8212; they are the first steps in an\u00a0allegorical journey through time. \u00a0The steps at Kiftsgate lead to an island; the only way off is to retrace your steps. What was meaningful has become decorative.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_2013\" style=\"width: 1060px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/glenvillaartgarden.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/Kiftsgate-68.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2013\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2013\" src=\"http:\/\/glenvillaartgarden.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/Kiftsgate-68.jpg\" alt=\"Steps lead into the pool at Kiftsgate. The sculptural flowers are by \" width=\"1050\" height=\"700\" data-id=\"2013\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-2013\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Steps lead onto the island in the tennis court pool at Kiftsgate Court in . Water spills off the philodendron\u00a0\u00a0leaves\u00a0sculpted by Simon Allison.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Copying design ideas from other times and other places has a long and honourable history. Moorish gardens inspired Sir Geoffrey Jellicoe. Roman gardens and the statues\u00a0they contained inspired Italian Renaissance designers.\u00a0Indeed, it seems that in Renaissance\u00a0times, copying was a competitive sport. \u00a0Cardinals and popes competed to have the best this or the largest that. The water chains at Villa Lante\u00a0&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_2002\" style=\"width: 1060px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/glenvillaartgarden.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/Villa-Lante-86.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2002\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2002\" src=\"http:\/\/glenvillaartgarden.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/Villa-Lante-86.jpg\" alt=\"Each stone curve was carved separately, resulting in a slightly different sound at each point.\" width=\"1050\" height=\"700\" data-id=\"2002\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-2002\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Each stone volute\u00a0was carved separately, resulting in a slightly different sound at each point.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>were copied at\u00a0Villa d&rsquo;Este at Tivoli &#8212; one cardinal trying to out-do\u00a0another.<\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_2008\" style=\"width: 1060px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/glenvillaartgarden.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/V.-dEste-23.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2008\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2008\" src=\"http:\/\/glenvillaartgarden.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/V.-dEste-23.jpg\" alt=\"A water chain at Villa d&quot;Este at Tivoli marked the original entrance to this garden which was intended to impress. It succeeded.\" width=\"1050\" height=\"701\" data-id=\"2008\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-2008\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">A water chain at Villa d\u00a0\u00bbEste at Tivoli marked the original entrance to this garden which was intended to impress. It succeeded.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Visiting Vaux-le-Vicomte a few years ago, I had an &lsquo;a-ha!&rsquo; moment when I climbed steps to a small side garden. Trees trimmed like stilts immediately made\u00a0me think of Lawrence Johnson&rsquo;s Stilt Garden at Hidcote.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_2009\" style=\"width: 1060px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/glenvillaartgarden.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/Hidcote-035.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2009\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2009\" src=\"http:\/\/glenvillaartgarden.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/Hidcote-035.jpg\" alt=\"I don't like the strong shadows in this photo but that was how this part of garden at Hidcote looked the day I was there. And why should I complain about sunshine in England? \" width=\"1050\" height=\"700\" data-id=\"2009\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-2009\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">I don&rsquo;t like the strong shadows in this photo but that was how this part of garden at Hidcote looked the day I was there. And why should I complain about sunshine in England?<\/p><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Noting how the water chains at Villa Lante and Villa d&rsquo;Este mimic one another made me wonder if their curving edges inspired the canal at Brian&rsquo;s Ground in Herefordshire.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_2017\" style=\"width: 1060px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/glenvillaartgarden.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/Bryans-Ground-2013.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-2017\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2017\" src=\"http:\/\/glenvillaartgarden.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/Bryans-Ground-2013.jpg\" alt=\"Iris enhance the canal at Bryan's Ground. \" width=\"1050\" height=\"700\" data-id=\"2017\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-2017\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Iris enhance the canal at Bryan&rsquo;s Ground.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Copying a design does not necessarily entail copying the idea behind it. At Sutton Place the steps began\u00a0a voyage of the mind. \u00a0At Kiftsgate, they appear merely decorative. Curving edges are an essential part of Renaissance water chains, wavy edges at Brian&rsquo;s Ground are\u00a0not.<\/p>\n<p>Inspiration from the past necessarily acquires different meanings in different times. The warning bells ring\u00a0when a garden designer copies his or her own work. While she may be building on past experience, repetition becomes far too easy. Static ideas lose their impact and meaning.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>An earlier version of this post referred\u00a0to a photo found on line and credited there to the Cultural Landscape Foundation. Thank you to Christine Facer Hoffman for pointing out that the photo said to be of\u00a0the Garden Cosmic Speculation was actually her own photo, of her own garden at Througham Court. 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